Iron Man's Strength overrated

After the prompting to look back at the official handbooks related to Iron Man's original red-and-gold armor and the Silver Centurian armors the strength ratings are much too high for them. They gave a strength augmentation of 75 times and 90 times the wearer's strength respectively without using the overrides, which means even with Captain America, someone with peak human strength, wearing the Silver Centurian armor it still wouldn't reach Amazing, it's give him a max regular press of 36 tons. They might barely reach those levels in override status but you're a fraction of a second away from burning out the armor at that point.

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Personally I think the Extremis Armor is a little too strong. Monsterous Strength? Never really seen Iron Man deal out that much physical punishment, or lift that much weight.

In fact, it seems whenever shell head gets into a strength contest with anyone Monsterous Strength or higher, his armor gets beat down pretty easilly, like his most recent encounter with Namor.

Well in the so-called reprints of the 80s handbooks I glanced at them when I was in the shop today and they aren't reprints, they've retconned them to claim vastly greater strength for him. Lists the Silver Centurian for example at Superhuman Class 85 (monstrous) and reaching Superhuman class 100 (Unearthly) when augmented by extra elecrical power. Those aren't the stats in the original 80s books by any stretch of the imagination.

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Well, they at least updated them then. I was looking at them in the store as well (briefly). All I could think is, "Why do I want to pay this much for outdated stats?"

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Well one would think if you say you're reprinting something you actually reprint it, and if you're going to print a revised/retconned version you actually say that's what it is.

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I agree. If one wanted to print an "updated" version, they should have revised the whole book with brand new words, stats and art... a whole new book. why would a kid nowadays want 25 year old art and layouts in a supposedly new book? No, I think the reprint was basically for us fans who remember the original and want to read it again... in which case, they should have changed -nothing-. It should have been a direct reprint.

You don't buy that TPB because you want the information... you buy it for the nostalgia.





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/23/2007 11:51AM by Punstarr.

I'd have preferred them using the format for the 80s version for an 00s version, as that format gave you real details not rediculous power bars and two pages of history or more and a paragraph on the powers, if that. Even the 90s version with the binder format was better, and even used a format similar to the Marvel RPG FASERIP tables for various stats (I believe Wolverine was rated as Superhuman Regenerative for his Durability, meaning he had above human durability plus an ability to regenerate).

You just have to hate a so-called reprint or TPB of otherwise unavailable material that they've gone through and changed text and other material to fit some notion of acceptable nowadays or to change the material to match how they want things to be now. It's like the stupid stuff that they do with anime, revising it due to idiot censors and gutting the quality of the product in the process.

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These are my numbers for how strong I believe the armors are:

Original Grey/Gold : 5 tons

Original Red and Gold : 10 tons

Proto-Classic: 25 tons

Pre-Classic: 40 tons

Classic Golden Avenger : 50 tons

Recovery Armor: 10 tons

Silver Centurion: 70 tons

New Red and Gold: 85 tons

NTU-150 Telepresence: 85 tons

War Machine: 85 tons

Modular Armor: 85 tons

Heroes Return 85 tons

SKIN: 90 tons

Tin Man: 100 tons

Extremis: 100 tons

Hulkbuster I (Modular add on): 175 tons

Hulkbuster II (Argonaut Drone): 200 tons

Hulkbuster III (WWH): 250 tons

Thorbuster: variable from about 100 to 200 tons depending amount of absorbed Asgardian energy.

NOTE: figures in green are taken from reference books or the comics.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2007 11:47AM by Tetragrammaton.

Even though the stats you reference seem to logicly follow from canon material, it always seems like anyone Tony faces with 75 strength or more goes through his armor like @#$%& through a goose.

Unless he's just built a new suit after some epic battle has destroyed the old one or he's recovering from a bout of alcoholism or similar, then he tears through his target with ease, like when he went from the Golden Avenger to the Silver Centurian, or jumped to the Modular Armor against Ultimo.

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capocatillo, perhaps it is his body armor rank that you feel is over rated.

considering the last 2 or 3 years in Marvel comics he seems to take damage easily.

It's more than that. I haven't seen iron man do anything in recent memory to demonstrate that his suit can lift anything looking like 75 or 100 tons.

Unfortunately, ol'Shellhead's been written as Marvel's whipping boy lately. Not too many opportunities to really see him cut loose.

The only recent examples of him performing impressive feats of strength was slamming the Crimson Dynamo about 100 feet into the air through some concrete and steel (from Iron Man vol IV, 7) and later giving the Sentry a nose-bleed a couple of issues later.

I wonder what the Stats are on the Hulk Busting Armour is?.

No idea. Considering how quickly we tend to see it get trashed it's apparently quite overhyped and doesn't live up to its name by any stretch of the imagination.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/14/2007 03:25PM by Nightmask.

I concur with that Nightmask Tony cant hang out with the Big Dogs.

I am not going to disagree with you two but Ironman did beat the Hulk before and with a lesser armor.( the bullethead red and gold )

With updated armor it is very possible for him to beat heavyweights ( Ironman himself being a light-heavyweight ) depending on the WRITER.

Sure, but I think their point is that he's not going to do it by just hammering away with his fists like the Hulk would. He has lots of stuff to even the odds, but this thread is about his physical strength.

That's true. Ironman is more of an "ace up the sleeve" gadget/trick master.

Although the time he beat the Hulk was when he just K.O.'ed him with ONE PUNCH!!!

Spider-Man beat Firelord once, too.