Stat nitpicks.

I agree. No way is Wolverine in the same class as Daredevil and Jubilee.. I REALLY like Wolverine and all, but that is also why I don't think he should have Increadible Agility.

Wolverine is potentially one of the most ruthless fighters in all of comics. He does whatever he has to do to get the job done, and he has never displayed that ability before. I'm not saying he couldn't do it, but he would have used it by now if he had it in him.

I agree he is naturally quick, so Remarkable agility without the acrobatics talent is just fine for Wolverine.

I won't argue about him having an Increadible Endurance. That sounds good to me.:)



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Personally, I give him Amazing Endurance. He's as tough as they come. I'd rate him as considerably tougher than Spider-Man, and I regard every one of Spider-Man's physical stats as a benchmark.

(Personally I don't like Wolverine much. But I do feel that he, like many of the X-Men, was originally underrated.)

-Wal



Surrender? What? You think this letter on my head stands for FRANCE?

Spider-Man has extremely high endurance when pushed... he's gone against many foes at once (all supervillain types), and wasn't extremely tired at the end.

Besides, Wolverine already has his healing to help him out, remember? Wolverine can make do with Incredible Endurance. :)

I remember there was a argument about giving Wolverine Hyper-speed as a power (at a low rank)...

But then, I would argue about giving Spider-Man more talents to reflect his agility better such as Tumbling, some Martial Arts talents to reflect his fighting style better, such as C or D (look up in the Ultimate Talents List), and Weapons Tinkering (only applied to his webshooters and costumes, using existing or cheap material and equipment - he's made variations of them such as the cannons and specialised spidey suits)...

Ah, if only... :)

Ok. I won't even argue much with an Amazing Endurance for Wolverine. Wasn't Storm originally written up as having Amazing Endurance? Now maybe Storm has the whole 'one with the planet' thing happening which might be the reason for such a high endurance. But then can Wolverine possibly be that far behind? I think not with his healing factor basically being the benchmark for that particular power.

However, I like the idea of the Xmen being underdogs powerwise. It's part of their appeal for me and I think it's consistent with how they are portrayed in the comics. So I don't know how much I would go around boosting their abilities.

Mostly, I leave their powers where they are. I also tone down some.

I feel their FASERIP stats were originally underrated, though (Iceman with Poor Intuition? Cyclops with Typical Strength? Beast with Excellent Reason?), at least in relation to other heroes. I have a tendency to edge them up in this regard.

-Wal



Surrender? What? You think this letter on my head stands for FRANCE?

Mayhaps, Noble Redman. But Thor dos know that Collossus and WM both have AMZ body armor so a punch of Incredible canst send them to thee wherenaught.



Someday there will be no racism.
Thats the day aliens will attack.
Then we will all hate green people.

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Marvel > DC

I guess the original X-Men stats had them written up as still being green to the role. Cyclops wasn't drawn to be particularly muscular, remember? However, he is now, so...

Oh don't get me started on the Excelent Reason for Beast thing. :mad: The guy speaks several languages holds mulitiple PHD's and not to mention his work on the legacy virus.

But Shadowcat is smarter at remarkable? Cyclops is just as smart as Beast with an excellent reason also?

I realize talents change the things a character can accomplish but I'm talking about raw intelligence and god given ability. Hank McCoy demands at least a Remarkable reason, probably higher.

Beast - Reason: excellent(20).

Cyclops - Reason: excellent(20).

Does anyone find it odd?

I find it odd that on this site Hulk has IN fighting and Batman has only GD strength..
Not to beat a dead horse, but if Hulk has IN fighting, shouldn't Spider-Man as well?
And Batman has demonstrated numerous time's he has the maximum human potential of strength; I.E EX.

I agree.

With you. I mean, on this site, Batman is currently no stronger than Catwoman.

Let me repeat that.

Batman is no stronger than Catwoman.

It just ain't right.

-Wal



Surrender? What? You think this letter on my head stands for FRANCE?

I never noticed that but yeah, for sure Bats should have EXC strength.



Someday there will be no racism.
Thats the day aliens will attack.
Then we will all hate green people.

I would have to agree Batman should have ex. str.



" I kill where I wish and none dare resist. I laid low the warriors of old and their like is not in the world today. "

I thought Batman had problems with lifting anything over 600 lb? (as shown in the Venom graphic novel)

I suppose a fair amount would be Good (18), but since those are always iffy on 'official' character bios... :)

600 lbs is very solidly in the Excellent range.

I think you mean Excellent (18). Personally, I'd give him Excellent (20) (right in the middle of the range).
I give Captain America Excellent (25) Strength; most of the time, I don't bother overmuch with the numbers.



Surrender? What? You think this letter on my head stands for FRANCE?

Doesn't DC say Batman can bench 1000 lbs?

:no-no-no: & :no-no-no: & :no-no-no:

Sorry for the late reply to the original message but I hope these answers these questions:

1. Beast is fine as is due to talents bonuses to Reason stat.

2. Bishop in a way merit Incredible fighting due to the timeline he is from and not what he as done up in this reality. Mind you Bishop was from a future timeline where it is constant war.(AKA what if days of future's past never ended). So, his stat is based on story/plot versus actually prowess shown.

3. You are smoking some serious crack if you think cannonball needs higher RIP stats. Mind you, RIP stats are based on the individual which may not be altered by learned skills. 90% of the time, those stats are based on current persona. In Cannonball's case, he has not developed intectually so (Reason). However, based on the arguments that you gave, Cannonball picked up TALENTS which would add to his current Intuition and Psyche in certain cases.

4. Again, You must remember one thing about Marvel Characters: Things are not always as they seems. Domino does not appear to have that type of strenght but she does. An X-Force book eluded to that when it talked about her history before the Six-Pack.

5. Havok. Good Question!! Will Research for you!!

6. Again what are you smoking???? Jubilee with Incredible agility and remarkable psyche??? No!!! I will admit that she is still developing and learning. But she is not at olympic level agility yet!!! However, you might have a better time convincing me of the psyche than anything.

7. Agree with you on that one!!

8. Since onslaught has come and left!! That when it got downgraded!!

9. Remember your standard MSH benchmarks now!! That is why remarkable versus Excellent.

10. Wolverine is not in the same class as Daredevil. However, he is in the same class as Cap!! (Note: please get off of the Jubilee's panty strap, she is ok but not all of that!!) Wolverine could go toe to toe with Cap in this area especially when it come to combat manuvering!! I think incredible fit quite well.

Note: please get off of the Jubilee's panty strap, she is ok but not all of that

What, precisely, do you mean by that?

-Wallace