Was Captain America the first substance abuser? My newspaper claims he was.
Posted by Taarna
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Well as long as it's marvel zombies, Steve Rogers could always be captain america.
Marvel authors should just make Cap’n’ America as a genetically engineered Government test tube baby with Induced Human Mutations, A freak accident which can’t be repeated…… And his ‘Power’ is unfettering Peak Human abilities….
And his life expectancy pushed way out since he has mild regeneration….. He should also carry a gun….. And his shield has all his credentials built in, such as his Top Secret level 9 billion Clearance codes; allowing the shield to be used as his ‘Keys’ to any Military assets he may need…. And maybe a few micro chips under the skin so the shield can only be used by Cap’n’ America in this way…. I mean another goober can use the Shield as a conventional weapon….. But Cap’n’ America has to hold the Shield to crank up a Top Secret “Metal Gear” Robot or something like that…… 
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I'm not saying which one I believe, but he's been statted on this site numerous times as having mild regen... so it may still be up for debate.
 
Almost every stat page I’ve ever seen of Cap’n’ America had mild ‘Regeneration’ as his one True Power over and above normal humans…. I guess the authors wanted to ensure readers that he didn’t have to exercise 20 hours a day for athletic maintenance to retain Peak Human abilities……
For gaming purposes the Regen was totally useless… It’s way to slow to even notice in combat…. But for hospitalization or medical care the Regen suggested he could recover to FULL potential….. Unlike a Normal Human who would become paralyzed or permanently disabled….
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Was Cap the first substance abuser?
Well, to avoid quibbling over semantics the question might be rephrased to something like, "was Cap subject to a performance enhancer?". Yes. The SS Serum was a performance enhancer. Steroid, virus, regular dosings, pathological dosings, no matter. Is Stever Rogers the only Captain America? If so, Captain America is dead. A flash in the pan that is no more and never shall come again. Must suck to be American if not another single citizen can ever hope to embody the America ideal. Should Cap.America carry a gun? It certainly isn't at all out of character for a guy presuming to call himself Captain AMERICA and considered to be the, errr, "living" embodiment of America values; to say nothing of the kinda guys Cap faces off against. Does Cap have some low level form of regenreation? All humans do. If we are cut, it will eventually get better if given some due attention. Cap undoubtedly bounces back alot faster than the average person, given the state of physical perfection conferred by the SS Serum. But does he have a superhuman degree of regeneration? Not that I've ever heard of. ------------------------------------------------  Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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The NRA says guns are America... so it must be true. 8-)
It is a "point of quibble". The super-solider serum is a man-made compound geared toward inducing unnatural physical gains in the user. Whether such a substance is used once or needs to be used many times is irrelevant.
Regarding the unhealthy side-effects; according to Stark's files in the Civil War crossover, Captain America is the only subject of the super-solider experiment that didn't ultimately come to suffer from some form of mental pathology. In the end, while Cap might not have been an *abuser* by any means, he did take a substance that raised his physical condition to levels he would never have been able to attain without it. Just like the juice-jockey down at the gym, in the NBA or in the Olympics. Given the absurdity of calling Cap a substance abuser as is, I guess the real question would be a What If. What if the effects of the SSS were tempororary? Would Mr.Idealism be able to just walk away from it? Knowing that it gave him the ability to make a difference? Knowing how important it was to him to be able to make a difference? ------------------------------------------------ Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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Seriously. As idealistic as Rogers might have been, Batman was obsessed with building himself into the perfect crime-FIGHTER.
Anyone think that maybe Bruce Wayne might be on the juice? Afterall, ever see a vertical like Batman's? From a white guy??? ------------------------------------------------ Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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Well.... This whole topic reflects back to the “Who Could You Beat” Topic.....
Captain America was getting out classed by every spandex cape clad hero and villain....... So the authors have to justify how he can hang with Characters greatly exceeding his capabilities....... I mean, everyone who reads this particular Forum knows Cap’n’ America is able to scrap with some gnarly Characters....... With only his Peak Human abilities.... But when people read the Data / Info / Statistics / Comics / and Cartoons, from all sorts of sources, Cap’n’ America is nothing more than a measly Human......... A goody-two-shoes boy scout ‘Human’ at that..... And that’s why other ‘Human’ Characters are portrayed as being able kick Cap’n America’s Azz........ All these other Characters use ‘Lethal’ Force at the drop of a hat....... And there is Cap’n’ America in Bright POWDER blue, Bright Red, and Clean White..... With just a ‘Shield’...... How’s this guy gonna beat anyone unless he has some hidden ‘Powers’???..... I mean; IF Captain America is supposed to be the ‘Icon’ of American Society.... He looks a lot more like Homer Simpson now...... Fat Stressed Out Greasy Couch Potato Drunk off his azz in a dead end measly brain dead job, drawing Well Fare Checks, paying alimony to some haggard floozy and two undisciplined brats, living in a Roach infested Ghetto Azz apartment with Zero control over his own damn destiny...... Wings Clipped, Talents Blunted, Eyes Blinded, and Balls Neutered....... Strength and Independence Frayed...... And he’s supposed to be the Icon of American Society....... Fuggen makes me want to vomit........ And we have to consider American Society of the 40’s and 50’s...... Captain America was the ‘SHIX’ back then..... Pure, Vulnerable but still Strong, Realistic, Defensive and Passive to a fault, Smart, Gentle, and Most of all Independent......... He needed help from no one to accomplish his goals.... With nothing more than his God given ‘Humanness’.................. WTF happened to that mentality????!!!!! Now.... Cap’n’ America needs Guns, Help, Dope, Mutant DNA, Government Clearance, and he has to be Dark, Bitter, Angry, and his Purity totally lost......... So yea.... Captain America took some dope due to peer pressure..... He’s more strung out than Crack Addict.....
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Taarna, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde by Robert Louis Stevenson was actually the first true substance abuser! The Definition of 'substance abuse' - The overindulgence in and dependence on an addictive substance, especially alcohol or a narcotic drug. So was Captain America a substance abuser, NO! I hope you inform your newspaper they are incorrect on both Captain America and the defintion of substance abuse. How very sad, what some people do to sell a few lousy newspapers!! B!)-
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I don't think that either the US ARmy, who gave Rogers the SSS, or the Invaders were no one.
As an individual that was peak human in ALL physical areas, unhinder by size/weight/build restrictions, Cap was NEVER merely human. His ability to operate at peak levels definitely qualified him, right from the get go as superhuman. Still, that admittedly doesn't mean all that much when in the company and going up against threats worthy of guys like Thor and Iron Man. I think that the one quality that always defined Cap, made him admirable even for a nonAmerican like me, was his fighting spirit and keen sense of reliance on his fellow man... or god... or alien... or mutant... which made him possibly the single best leader in the Marvel Universe. "United we stand, divided we fall". Cap would go it alone if he had to of course, because SOMEONE had to, but you really don't get to see Cap's greatest strengths outside of a team setting. But yeah, Cap on his own is like.... any person on their own.... a step away from being bear food. And the one greast thing about Cap that sets him apart from the powerhouses he hangs with is the utter lack of the "Im-an-island-to-myself" mentality. Without THAT Cap wouldn't be Cap. I don't think that Cap ever vanished. Didn't like him too much during Civil War personally, but Cap will always been one of my top 3 or 4 comicbook superheroes. ------------------------------------------------ Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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