Thors return
Posted by junderway
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I haven't picked it up yet, Junderway. I'll probably grab it next week when I head down to get the new Omega Flight and Dark Tower.
I'm certainly looking forward to it though. I can't wait for his reunion with Iron Man. Like I said at some point in the past CW threads; I'm on my side (as opposed to popular opinion's) until Thor gets back, then I'm on Thor's side. ------------------------------------------------  Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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All I have to say is Thor had better be pissed when he finds out he was cloned and that clone was used in a dishonorable way, or I will scream crappy writing at the top of my lungs.
 
I think that what Thor would have the most problem with, as a paragon of Viking Age Scandinavian heoric values, is the abuse of his name and reputation that Clor represented.
A weapon is a weapon is a weapon. And Thor may or may not have a problem with how a weapon was used. One's repute on the other hand, in keeping with Anglo-Nordic values, is the most personal and precious of commodities, virtually synomous with the soul, ie. it is what (potentially) transcends mortality and transcience. Whether or not Thor agrees with the SRA, he should definitely not be very happy about others messing with his name and assuming his identity. Not a good idea. Thor might get pissed and, if the mythic Thjalfi is any indication, he might make you his sidekick as a right and just punishment for idiocy. ------------------------------------------------ Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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Solits have Thor meeting up with IM in issue #3.
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According to real world beliefs about Thor, he does not take part in the battles of men. More poignantly, he is a god of oaths and a pillar of law, in whose name capital offenders were executed, ie. he is *very* much concerned with mortal laws and the maintainence of mortal society, while the concept of both "divine law" and "true names" runs counter to his cultural inclination.
Thus, given that angle, he may or may not support the SRA. ------------------------------------------------ Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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Well, I think that "atrocity" is a little strong of a word and cheapens true historical and contemporary *atrocities*. Afterall, people aren't being rounded up, tortured and murdered by the hundreds of thousands or millions.
As for how the Tivar would see things; well, I'm not one of them, but the Anglo-Nordic understanding is that the Tivar gave mankind the *seed* of law as embodied in the Maethel/Thing or "Collective Assembly". Mankind is solely responsible for it's growth and maintainence. Of course, in the era of the Roman Historian Cornelius Tacitus (1st century CE), the *punishments* of imprisonment, flogging and murder required the consent of the high-priest, who rendered his decision "in accordance with the will of the god that accompanies them to the field of battle", ie. Tiw/TyR. According to this custom many a Roman soldier, and at least a couple of Roman Catholic missionaries, were spared the righteous fury of the collective will of the tribe in question; which was clearly inclined to kill them for attempting to conquor them or for profaning their holy sites and blasphemeing the deities. The thing about the judgement of the gods is that it is inscrutable, so there is no telling how it "should" go, other than the way it *does* go. However, law aside, it is clear that the Teutonic peoples were clearly not at all fond of actions that diminished the human spirit. Most of their legal penalities invovled the payment of a fine to the offended party in order to avoid a feud. It was also deemed excessively unmanly for a freeman to beat his thrall/s or to assume lordship under a thralls own roof. A thrall had no legal recourse, outside of his owner, but peer pressure always carries more weight than the threat of law. On the otherhand, Teutonic law was primarily concerned with the safety and stability of the community; knowing well that even the strongest individuals would suffer severely without the support of the community. So, as far as how the Asgardians might react to the SRA bsed on real world culturo-religious values, it is difficult to say. The entire idea of anonymity and unaccounted for violence was something very much frowned on by our values. Any crime that one did not claim or stand accoutnable for was deemed a far greater offense... being not merely a crime, but a *shame* that undermined the communal trust and thus survivability. Thus, if one chose to exist outside of the law, then they were in nowise extended the protection of the law, ie. open season on them. Of course, while no man would associate with a shameful nithling, the mere criminal was not looked upon as a dirty thing, and if people thought they could get away with it, most noteably kin, they would "harbour" such outlaws. So, once again, the matter is by no means clear cut. I would hope that Thor would stand above the entire mess and freely associate with both sides; with good knowledge of the virtues and vices of *both* sides. ------------------------------------------------ Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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This is much more basic than mythological deconstruction. The Initiative already has the capability to make a thor clone, and has been shown to have the remains of the original thor clone. Plus they have the Sentry and Ares.
Just for a sense of balance, i don't see Blake/Thor joining up with the SRA. 
I think that there is good reason for Thor, as a heroes hero, to take *neither* side, and to remind *everyone* that some things are more fundamental and meaningful than politics and ideology.
If the current state of affairs needs *anything*, it's certainly isn't *yet another* follower taking this or that side. It's someone who really does stand above it all. And who better than the Almighty himself? ------------------------------------------------ Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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Thor's hardly as all knowing as all that. Plus he seems joined at the hip with the very human Blake side of the Thor persona. Either way, Thor's fallible.
Besides, the New Avengers could use the muscle... Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/10/2007 12:54PM by capocastillo.
Well, it's not a matter of being all-knowing, Capo. Quite the opposite actually. It's a matter of being down to earth and in touch with the *simple* things that all folk share in common. The kind of homely, everyman's wisdom that too often escapes the intellectualists and idealists.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what Marvle decides! ------------------------------------------------ Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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