The Silver Surfer's stats are too low.

Hero Name: Silver Surfer
Given Name: Norrin Radd
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Fighting: Amazing (50)
Agility: Unearthly (100)
Strength: Unearthly (100)
Endurance: Shift Z (500)
Reason: Excellent (20)
Intuition: Monstrous (75)
Psyche: Incredible (40)

Health: 750
Karma: 135
Resources: Poor (4)
Popularity: Excellent (20)

Age: Unknown(though he is a adult Zenn-Lavian and they have average life spans of thousands of years)
Gender: Male
Height: 6'4"
Weight: Unknown
Skin Color: Silver
Hair Color: None
Eye Color: White

POWERS:
Body Armor: Physical and Energy attacks (Unearthly)
Invulnerability: Fire, Heat, Cold, Radiation, Toxins, Disease and Aging (Class 1000)
Enchanced Senses: Hypersensitive Hearing and Telescopic Vision(up to 1 light year away) (Shift Z)
Cosmic Awareness (Unearthly)
Telepathy and Postcognition(up to four weeks in the past, must be at the site of event) (Good)
Life Support: does not need food, water, sleep, or air to survive (Class 1000)
Cosmic Energy Manipulation(specialized form of Energy Conversion): The Surfer has the ability to channel and manipulate huge quantities of latent cosmic energy, as well as all others, with Power rank ability and effect in LOS range. This Power alows the Surfer to fly even without his board up to Class 3000 speeds in space and Shift Z max in atmospheres(though he rarely does so) (the following are Power stunts of this main Power): (Shift Y)
*Fire blasts of Power rank Force or Energy. Can boost to Shift Z for 1-10 rounds a day. (Shift Y)
*Raise any physical ability(FASE) to Power rank for 1-10 rounds. If already Power rank, raise to Shift Z. By focusing on one ability, he can raise it to Shift Z. The Surfer can also raise his Body Armor to a maximum of Shift Z in this manner for 1-10 rounds (Shift Y)
*Detect Life(within 500 light years) and Detect and Absorb any form of energy with Power rank ability (Shift Y)
*Solar Regeneration(self) and Healing with Power rank ability. Has no effect on Endurance losses(Healing only) (Shift Y)
*Dimensional Travel and Time Travel with Power rank ability (Unearthly)
*Elemental Conversion, Molecular Conversion, Mechanical Creation with Power rank ability (Unearthly)
*Phasing and Force Field Generation with Power ranks ability (Shift Y)

TALENTS:
Martial Arts D
Astronomy(Astronautics, Astrophysics, Stellar Cartography)
Physics(Energy and Particle Physics, Quantum Physics)
Piloting Skills(Spacecraft)

CONTACTS:
The Fantastic Four
The Avengers
Alicia Masters(friend and love intrest)
The Defenders(current member)
Adam Warlock and the Eternals of Titan
Galactus(to a exstent, though it has always been strained)

DESCRIPTION:
The Silver Surfer has a humanoid form but his skin is now a flexible metallic silvery material(however he can change the look of his skin to that of a Zenn-Lavian or Human etc.., with his matter control powers.).

EQUIPMENT:
Surfboard: The Surfer uses a cosmicly powered surfboard(made from the same materials as his skin and same power source) to fly and traverse the universe since it has its own power supply and it allows him to fly without using any of his own energies. With the board, the Surfer can fly up to Class 5000 speeds in space and up to ShZ(500) maximum in a atmosphere. He controls it mentally. The boards is made of a Class 1000 material.

HISTORY:
See Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe Bio.

Limitation:

*All Karma losses to the Surfer are tripled because of his extreme nobility and guilt of being a herald of Galactus, devorour of worlds.


This more accuratly displays his abilites and power level than those dated old stats. Binary should not have more Health than the Silver Surfer, who is for the most part Marvel's most powerful character who is not a cosmic entity, skyfather etc..

(Here are some more accurate stats for Gladiator also. LOL, he does not have Unearthly reason etc.. but his stated speeds and Invulnerability's where too low. If Superman has Shift Y strength, you know Gladiator does etc.. it also reflects his most recent SAGA stats update, which is about all those roster book are good for, the ability to convert the stats, ;))

Hero Name: Gladiator
Given Name: Kallark
(Humanoid Race)

Fighting: Monstrous (75)
Agility: Monstrous (75)
Strength: Shift Y (200)
Endurance: Shift Y (200)
Reason: Excellent (20)
Intuition: Monstrous (75)
Psyche: Incredible (40)

Health: 550
Karma: 135
Resources: Remarkable (30)
Popularity: Shift 0 (0)/ Unearthly (100)throughout the Shi'ar empire

Age: Unknown
Gender: Male
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 595 lbs.
Skin Color: Purple
Hair Color: Dark Blue
Eye Color: Blue

POWERS:
Body Armor: Physical and Energy Attacks (Unearthly)
Invulnerablity: Fire, Heat Cold, Radiation, Toxins, and Disease (Class 1000)
Life Support: No need for food, water, or air (Class 1000)
Enhanced Senses: Hypersensitive Hearing, Hypersensitive Olfactory, and Telescopic Vision (Monstrous)
Flight: Power rank in space, Shift Z maximum in a atmosphere (Class 3000)
Hyper-Speed and Hyper-Breath (Unearthly)
Energy Blast(Heat or Plasma emitted from eyes) (Unearthly)

TALENTS:
Martial Arts B and E
Wrestling
Thrown Objects
Astronomy(Stellar Cartography)
Piloting Skills(Spacecraft)
Leadership*

CONTACTS:
Shi'ar Imperial Guard(Gladiator is the Praetor(leader) of this elite group of Shi'ar super beings from various worlds in the throught the Shi'ar Empire)
Shi'ar Empire(personal guard and escort of Majestrix Lilandra herself )
The X-Men(on occasion)
The Fantastic Four(on occasion)
Silver Surfer and Beta Ray Bill(somewhat strained in the Surfers case, but they are all generally allies)

DESCRIPTION:
Gladiator is a tall, handsome, very muscular and very well proportioned humanoid alien from the Shi'ar galaxy, with purple skin and a large "mowhawk".

EQUIPMENT:
While Gladiator usually relies on his vast powers and warriors cunning, he has on occasion employed various Shi'ar technological devices to aid him in his duites as Praetor of the elite Imperial Guard. As Praetor of the Imperial Guard and Majestrix Lilandra's personal escort, Gladiator has one of the highest security access levels of any Shi'ar citizen not among the heirarchy and thus has access to most Shi'ar technology.

HISTORY:
See Offical Handbook Of The Marvel Universe Bio.

Limitations: Gladiator is Fatally Vulnerable to a single, unknown type of radiation.

Well I would have to mildly disagree on the reason thing. He is the ultimate Shi'ar, in all way shapes and forms. While I don't think he NEEDS the high Reason to be played the same I would keep it myself as if you take an advanced race like the Shi'ar to the Nth degree in all stats and abilities to make a Gladiator and then lower his Reason score doesn't seem to make sense. If he is all about being the best they can be why wouldn't he also be one of the smartest. I think it is just an extension of his "Ultimateness". That said I might lower
it to Monstrous or at the very least Amazing
if I felt the need to lower it.


DG :bounce:

And I also would not give the Surfster an Endurance of Shift-Z either. I believe he has been shown to be on par with Thor and the Hulk and neither of them desreve Shift-Z Endurance either IMO. I think this should be more of an issue of lowering Binary than raising Surfer to a level that would make him pretty much unplayable. But that's just me :mdr!:

DG :bounce:

I agree with Warlock. Surfer does'nt need ShZ(500) endurance, UN(100) was just fine and very accurate. He also does'nt need all those CL1000-level Invulnerabilities. UN(100) True Invulnerability with CL1000 vs. Fire/Heat, and diseases would suit him fine. Now onto Gladiator. UN(100) Strength was just fine, no need to raise it. He had ShZ(500) Life Support which the players book says lets someone survive indefinitely without food, water, or air, there was no need to raise it to CL1000. Why does he need hyper-speed? He's already got CL5000 True Flight, according to Ragnarok and Roll. His Invulnerabilities are listed at SHZ(500), not CL1000. Why the jump an extra 500 points. Other than those points Gunther, I agree with the other modifications which you were very wise in changing. Thanks for reading, Meanstreak.

Well the Surfer has FAR more endurance than the Hulk and Thor. Thor is on par with the Surfer because of Mijolnir, NOT his physical stats. Sorry. The Surfer is not ment to be threatened by any being from earth(save Skyfather level), he is ment to take on Thanos, Terrax etc. and get smacked around by the Stranger, Galactus, and Celestials etc.., lol. He most certainly needs a Shift Z endurance. How the hell do you justify Hela having a Class 100 endurance anywhere, and the Surfer only haveing Unearthly?

He is not unplayable if you put him in the setting that writers have for years. In fact, all heralds should have Shift Z endurance. They travel at light speeds and through hyperspace, never tire, and constantly absorb cosmic energy. They certainly should have a higher endurance than Thor or the Hulk. I can't fathom why you think the Sufer should not be Invulnerable to all those things. He exists in space with ease and is totally uneffected by it. Space is the harshest element of all. How the hell can he fly through stars without being invulnerable to radiation? lol. The Surfer does not age also, he is not immortal like a god, but he no longer ages. In the comics. Come on guys. If you want to depower him so you can have him fight earth villians fine, but I prefer to present him at his true Marvel Universe power levels. ;)

Gladiator does not have that high a reason. Gladiator is as smart as a Watcher? LOL. Come on. Just because he is a alien, does not mean he automatically should be as smart as Reed Richards. He is not a scientest. If he was, that might be warranted. Certainly Shi'ar scientests would be that smart, but not Gladiator. Thor and Odin are thousands of years old and they do not have higher Reasons, same sort of situation. Its relative.

Also, Wonder Man has Shift Z Life Support. Gladiator is by far more adapted to living in space than Wonder Man. This is why he should have Class 100 Life Support. Also the Hulk has Class 1000 Invulnerabilty and he IS NOT as durable as Gladiator. The Hulk can be killed by a direct hit from a nuclear blast, Gladiator has survived a nova force explosion unharmed.

The Shift Y strength is something I like to use, because frankly, the Unearthly level is just too weak for the likes of Thor, Gladiator, Hercules etc.. in my opinion. But this is the one area im flexible on. ;)

But to each his own of course. Just wanted to make my case known. But I assure you this, these character have these stats as far as im concerned. HA HA HA HA! ;)

Okay first, you're very annoying with the HA HA HA thing, so chill. Next, he can have Un(100) true invulnerability and still go thru space at hyperspace speeds unharmed. True Invulnerability covers everything except mental, magic, emotion, and power manipulation attacks. Read the power listing. Hela is a god, that makes her bad, so CL1000 is correct. Surfer is NO god. I do agree with you on Gladiator's reason rank. Sorry if I came across wrong. Gladiator doesn't need a MN(75) or wharever blown-up rank the original print gave him. EX(20) is just right. Warlock must be in love with the Shiar or something, but their top warrior Gladiator is just what his name and posistion in the empire implies, he's a fighter. He's not smarter than Banner or Richards, or Doom. Period. Yeah, that's my take on it gentlemen. Thanks for reading, Meanstreak.

First of all I was joking around. Second the Invulnerablites you would give the Surfer are just too damn low. Period. Be inaccurate if you want. Second, Hela is a god, true. And she should have that Endurance level, at least in her realm. However, Thor has beaten her with her Class 1000 Endurance. How can the Surfer having Shift Z make him unplayable? Besides, the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe are not gods anyway.

Also, that "true invulnerablity" crap from the Ultimate Powers book is a confusing, inferior, mess. The original format for Body Armor, Resistances, and Invulnerablity as given by the Advanced Handbook is a far superior system. Its what I use, and I ignore that part of the Ultimate Powers book.

Jeez. Just noticed how bitchy I was sounding. LOL. Sorry guys. This is just how I play them and view them.

"Why does he need hyper-speed? He's already got CL5000 True Flight, according to Ragnarok and Roll"

Just wanted to comment on this statement of yours there Meanstreak. Well he should have Hyper-Speed because, well, he has always had it. In Fantastic Four #250, he displays hyper-speed by delevering hundereds of punches in seconds, he has also displayed it in other comics I have. I will give those issues if you want them. Thats exactly what the Powers book describes under Hyper-Speed. Also, flying really fast is not the same as having Hyper-Speed, of course. Northstar could fly almost at the speed of light, but he could not build a house is a few minutes. Flying in a strait line and moving your body fast is two totally different abilites. How the TSR guy who originally made up Gladiator's stats missed that one is beyond me.

Well one thing you left out was that his board grants him Phasing of Class 1000 to avoid running into galactic debris as far as the Surfer goes. And I would be inclined to give Gladiator Hyper-Speed as he is basically superman with a mohawk and Sups has Hyper-Speed.

My opinion.
Dg :bounce:

I gave him phasing, but under his Power Cosmic, not the boards. They both have the same powers and source.

Whoa Gunther, you get fired up quick. "Be inaccurate if I want" and the "Ultimate powers book is crap", buddy you need to learn some respect. I'm sure David Martin would like to put you right into the smackdown hotel if he heard those untrue words from your mouth. The Ultimate Powers book is an official, well-written accessory for the game that has stood the test of time and still proves to be good. You need to seriously rethink that statement pal. I like True Invulnerability, it combines certain resistances with body armor in an efficient way, don't you see that? If you don't like it, make it count as two powers that way people will be reluctant to take it. Your little line about being inaccurate, what in the blue hell are you talkin about? You strike me as very bitchy, yes, but you have some good ideas. Another thing, let's drop the Gladiator discussion. I'm sick of talking about the mohawk-wearing, Superman wannabe puss. Why don't you keep on your present course of inflating his stats to the point that once you calm down and step back, you'll have a freakin god on your hands dude! Cmon Gunther. I liked your take on my Hulk writeup, thanks for that. I'm going to print it. Helped with the talents alot. Later, Meanstreak.

Sigh. I apologized for my bitchy remarks. I DON'T think the Ultimate Power's book is crap at all. The vast majority of it I like. However I like the original Body Armor, Resistances, Invulnerablity that the Advanced book presented. That is the only part that never made sense to me.

True Invulnerability is confusing. First, I went years without the Ultimate Powers book. Invulnerability was originally a Class 1000 or higher resistance. That was the only time Invulnerable was used. Otherwise, you have a resistance. Better system to me. Seeing things like UN(100) True Invulnerability was confusing and made little sense. Thats really my only problem with it.

And im not sure which one you are talking about, Gladiator or Silver Surfer, but both should be more powerful than many gods. Actually my Gladiator has less Health, but more detailed powers. He has Hyper-Speed, so I don't understand that complaint. The Surfer should have more endurance than guys like Hercules and the Abomination, its just that simple. The original Surfer stats are fine for those who are not much into powerful, cosmic campagins, and want to power everyone down, but for one that is more interested in displaying him at the levels he has shown in the comics, they just don't hold up. And frankly, every offical Surfer write up I have seen left out many of his established abilites.

Okay, I did some researching Gunther and I'll concede with saying you are right, Gladiator does deserve UN(100) hyper-speed. But the point I'm trying to make is that I wasn't saying earlier that CL5000 True flight is the same as hyper-speed, it's just that any hero-level character like Gladiator should be damn lucky to have ANY power in the CL5000 range. The owner of this site only gives Superman CL3000 flight, Gladiator has got CL5000. Anyway, about the Surfer, that power cosmic stuff is hard to figure. For instance, Galactus gave both Surfer and Firelord their powers, but Firelord has got officially Immortality, but Surfer does not. Surfer is supposed to have certain energy-manipulating abilities, but his original 1986 listing is extremely vague. The power cosmic stuff does need to be addressed, I just differ from you in the fact that I don't want to see people like Surfer who got their powers from Galactus get too much into the ShZ(500) and higher ranges. They should,nt be able to manipulate energy like gods who head pantheons like Odin, Osiris, or Zeus. By the way. I'm going to offer up on here a corrected version of Zeus, Petunia has left out alot of his more specialized energy abilities that he deserves. Thanks, Meanstreak.

Well Zues does have the ability to use any listed power or stunt with ShiftZ ability so I think it would be covered.


DG :bounce:

Yeah Warlock, but that is his magical ability. I'm talkin about his raw energy power. Magic is drawing upon energy reserves from otherwordly sources, gods such as Zeus and Odin should have their own array of raw energy powers. Zeus has the ability to manipulate much more varied types of energy that Odin, although Odin is an older and more experienced god. Odin shoots plasma bolts and he's got his magic spells, but if you look in Ragnarok and Roll you'll see Zeus can generate and manipulate radiation, fire, heat, electricity, light, etc. Anyway, their both bad dudes, no matter how you cut it. Later, Meanstreak.

Actually I was the one who submitted what you see now as the stats for Zeus and Odin. Zeus had a Health of like 325 or something in the original write up!! It seems whoever made up those stats missed the BILLIONS of times in the comics and in the Handbook its clearly stated Odin and Zeus are of equal power levels. I admit I have changed what's stated about Zeus's ability to use all the other powers. Don't know why I felt at the time he used them like a mage. He should have the ability to tap into them with his inate power. Also I have changed, in my stats, Odin and Zeus being able to use any listed Power at Class 1000 ability while in Asgard and Olympus, but Shift Z anywhere else. Their Power are tied to their dimensions.

However, Odin and Zeus both should be able to use any listed Power. Odin does usually fire mystical bolts, but that certainly is not the exstent of his Powers. I see them both being able to use any Power, its just that they both have their own unique traits(Zeus likes lighting bolts, Odin is more mystical in nature etc..)

I agree and what I was reffering to wasn't necessarilly the mystical aspect, but just the overall ability to channel his Skyfather powers into desired effects. While he too would have vast mystical powers, I agree that he would be less inclined to use them than Odin because of the stated reasons.


.02$
DG :bounce:

One thing I've always held to gentlemen is that Zeus' power is not tied to his home dimension as much as Odin's is. Zeus also does'nt have to sleep once a year for a week to renew his godly energies like Odin does. For instance, Odin's CL3000 Endurance wanes every full day spent away from Asgard, but Zeus stays the same. Overall, I agree with Gunther when he said the original writers gave Zeus 325 Health. In Ragnarok and Roll he's got SHZ(500) Endurance, but Petunia gives him CL3000 I believe. I think he should at least be CL1000. Zeus is my favorite god, and yes there have been discrepencies in his past writeups. Also, guys, if any of you are old D&D players, I do in my Zeus writeup his Aegis sheild that he used in mythology. It's powers were first described in 1983's Legend and Lore manual. I just make it a CL1000 adamantine sheild with the face of a medusa on it. At the desire of the holder, it can emit SHZ(500) special form of Emotion Control-Fear. Robots and non-human alien beings aren't affected. It kind of freshens up Zeus' writeup and gives him a personal weapon to be known for, and it is from the books of mythology. I'll post my Zeus stats soon. Thanks, Meanstreak.