Who Could "YOU" Beat?
Posted by Lafarallin
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When did the Rhino fall from orbit? I must have missed that one.
 
Well the gun the Punisher used was in essence full auto mini missiles, so it's understandable that the Rhino's hide got shredded.
Here's the page where it happened.
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My gaming table of 7 guys played a campaign which was pretty similar to this topic......
Write up Our personal stats and play them verse fictional characters.... But really, it just complicated the Game (and to a small degree REAL LIFE)....... We got the idea in our heads that ‘REAL’ goals could be met with success by using the ‘Marvel’ means of measurement to gauge and calculate ‘REAL’ growth and achievement.......... Just like using it as a clock or ruler... Like exercising or studying more..... Simply to find out ‘IF’ a real person can improve straight TY:06 stats to GD:10 or even EX:20....... And at RM:30..... Hell, you’d be at the “TOP” of your Abilities and making “LOTS” of Money as a professional. And it worked to a degree because it solidified and focused our personal goals of achievement.. But even at my ‘PEAK’ abilities when I was about 25 to 30 years old, I would have been NO match for ANY fabled ‘Super’ Character....... And to be quite honest, I was in “Shape”...... But unfortunately I lacked Focus and Commitment in any one particular Sport...... (Just other fuggen life responsibility and shiz gets in the way) Yea I could ‘Fight’..... But not as talented a Pro Boxier or UFC Fighter..... Probably GD:10... Yea I was ‘Fast’...... But not fast like a Pro Track Athlete or Gymnast..... Probably TY:06... Yea I was ‘Strong’...... But even still I probably only had TY:06 Strength with a few Plus Shifts. Yea I had ‘Endurance’..... This was probably my Strongest ability when I was younger..... Thanks to High School, College and the U.S. Army simply ‘Pushing’ me every single fuggen DAY...... But even still, My Endurance was possibly EX:20 at best......... Maybe RM:30 under certain conditions........ And Mentally.... I’m nearly brain dead...... Probably straight PR:04..... I’m a BIG fan of UFC, Soccer, Racing, Sports... And all that stuff...... But for me it’s all crushed dreams...... But the current generation of professional athletes and scholars ‘Dedicate’ their entire life to a particular field....... Most of these top rung ‘Olympic’ and ‘Professional’ Humans start at 10 to 12 years old.... And they remain hard-core focused....... And if these people don’t compete; They see it as Failure and Failure is NOT Authorized!!!! Everything else in life is just do the bare minimums / Pass it Off / get it done / outta the way / scrape by the skin of the teeth / back to their Passion. And still, Cap’n’America / Bat-Man / Punisher / Dead-Pool / Snake-Eyes / and ANY of the ‘Human’ Comic Characters could be placed into ANY event and still out class a ‘Normal’ human.... 
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I think that i it is a foregone conclusion that if your *average* human could in any way compete with a superhuman, or even their lackeys, then there wouldn't be much need for *super*-heroes.
There are (or were) of course a fair number of mutants that aren't much more than average humans themselves, so provided a person could get the drop on one before powers came into play, a win is viable. Of course, here are the stats of your average human from an Industrialized country... F - Poor (no experience, no training, has been conditioned to look to outside agencies to deal with violence) A - Typical (lets be generous) S - Poor (few people can military press 200 lbs under any conditions, optimal or otherwise) E - Poor (most people drive everywhere and work non-physical jobs) Health: 18 Not a fella who is likely to be able to weather a power attack from even the lowest level of mutants or superhumans! I personally have been statted as follows... F - Good A - Good S - Poor (Hey, I'm only 145 lbs) E - Typical (would be Good if my chin, not just my stamina, was taken into account, but... whatever) Health:30 I've always had an easy time handling the brawlers out there, even the ones that have "never lost a fight", but other than my older brother, have never had the privilege of fighting a trained and naturally talented fighter. Nevertheless, there are going to be guys who are at least as skilled and talented, who are also bigger and better conditioned... like most villainous lackeys. I'm not saying I couldn't beat a lackey, but I'm not saying I could either. However, even against, say, the Beetle (hahaha...) I'm not going to stand a chance. Against most of Daredevil's enemies... most of them are cleaning the floor with me. Pretty well any mutant could beat me IF they got a chance to bring their power into play... though I'm pretty sure I could make Leech my @#$%& ;-). Most of the other heroes either have a high level of training combined with awesome conditioning and mucho natural talent, or have powers that would simply be too overwhelming... though a few fall into the same category as mutants, ie. "maybe IF...". So, most of us humans, no matter how good we are... simply aren't super... we're outclassed. HOWEVER, give some of us a super power, a genetic tweak or two, and we could easily be competative with a fair number of mutants and superhumans. Me and mine have been sporadically playing a campaign that involves real world selves. Our powers aren't competative in rank with your usual Marvel characters, but we can dominate pretty well anything you might find on the street, and find a good challenge in facing numerous "pros", eg. ninjas, mercs, special agents, etc. So far the only other superhuman we've encountered has received his powers from the same source as us and so operates at the about the same power level... though his speific combo of powers made him a match for at least two of the three of us, but then he had his zombie minions to back him up! ------------------------------------------------  Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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Yea... I agree, it FUGGEN SUX being ‘Normal’....
Almost all ‘Normal’ Humans simply can’t even match up to the lowest Rung Heroes or Villains..... I mean ‘IF’ Wolverine was a ‘REAL’ person.... He’d simply ‘DOMINATE’ the UFC / Pride Fight Ring / K1 / Or any other Full Contact Sport; in every weight class; even the heavy weights would be dropped like flies..... And Wolverine wouldn’t even need to use his claws or any Karma. Then consider Characters such as Bat-Man / Cap’n’America / The Panther / Cyclopes / Cable / DeadPool / Slade / Beast / even Robin or Bat-Girl.... PPFFTTTTT!!!!! A Normal Human would be waxed in 5 Seconds in ANY type of athletic competition...... That’s why Super Heroes wear Silly Tight Costumes with the under-draws on the outside............ Hell Yeah!!!!! Look at my Butt..... I can break bricks with the crack of my azz!!!!! HELL YEAH!!!!! Even during my 6 year Army Enlistment I had the opportunity to be around SPEC-OP infantry soldiers... And these Guys are FUGGEN Brutally cross trained over a wide spectrum of athletic skills..... And 90% of these ‘Humans’ can only hang with the Gauntlet for about 5 to 7 years....... Then they get a desk job and return to ‘Normal’........ (Washed-Up Fat Fuggers polishing a chair with their Azz) SEALS / Rangers / Marine Recon / PJs / Green Barrets...... There is reason why they’re called the ‘ELITE’... They’re just so Fuggen High Speed it’s disgusting...... And their Exercise ‘Maintenance’ regimen is ALL FUGGEN DAY LONG / EVERY FUGGEN DAY..... Then, I’d probably rank ‘Professional’ Athletes about Rank or 2 Above SPEC-OP infantry soldiers..... But a SPEC-OP infantry soldier ‘MAY’ have a little more Karma to work with..... Even still, In Marvel Stats their FASERIP attributes would only be GD:10 to EX:20, and maybe borderline to RM:30 with 1 or 2 (Maybe 3) Plus Shifts on a Talented task or skill...... As Punstarr mentioned in a prior post.... ANY Heroes or Villains can effortlessly wade through SWAT Teams.
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That's what's happening right now in the comics with the SHIELD Cape Killer troops.
Well..... A Gaming Table could maximize (and justify) all the stats and get some fairly decent Characters...
Characters who could indeed stand their ground in a given game scenario..... And for the most part ‘Comics’ are meant to exaggerate...... So Maximized Marvel Soldiers would probably be right around these states.... Give or take a few Shifts. ___________________________________________________________________ Average Army or Marine Corps Infantry (MOS 11B and similar training like 19K ‘TANKERS’) +F : EX: 20 +A : EX: 20 +S : GD: 10 +E : RM: 30 +R : TY:06 to EX:20 +I : TY:06 to EX:20 +P : EX: 20 to RM:30 (Maybe IN:40 for some individuals) Health : 80 to 90 (100 Maxed, but no less than 50) Karma : 40 to 70 (100 Maxed, but no less than 20) Expert Talents Rendering [+2 CS] FireArms | Explosives | Demolitions | Land Navigation | Military | Infiltration | Automobile Driver | Mechanical Tinkering | Normal Talents Rendering [+1 CS] Resist Domination | Survival Arctic, Desert, Jungle, Sea, Urban | Electronic Tinkering | Sky Diving | Martial Arts BCE | First Aid | Security | Investigation | Computers | Climbing | Individual Soldiers may be trained with specific Talents such as Gunnery, Mechanic, Admin, Cook... etc. Individual Soldiers may take advantage of various Military Resources allowing access to weapons and secure areas and information.... Often upto [+1 CS] for Top-Secret level 1... (Confidential) ___________________________________________________________________ Average SPEC-OPS Infantry (Seal, Ranger, Reconnoissance, Para Trooper, Delta Force.. etc)... SPEC-OPS Infantry Soldiers are often college educated and hold 2 or 3 various Military Occupational Specialties (MOS)... SPEC-OPS Infantry Soldiers are often in very good physical condition even if they are fat fuggers or super skinny bone heads..... +F : IN: 40 +A : EX: 20 (Maybe IM:25 for some individuals) +S : GD: 10 (Maybe EC:15 for some individuals) +E : RM: 30 +R : GD: 10 to EX:20 +I : GD: 10 to RM:30 +P : RM: 30 to IN:40 (Maybe SP:45 for some individuals.... Officers) Health : 100 to 110 (120 Maxed, but no less than 80... Very close to PEAK Human) Karma : 50 to 90 (100 Maxed, but no less than 40) Expert Talents Rendering [+2 CS] FireArms | Explosives | Demolitions | Land Navigation | Military | Infiltration | Automobile Driver | Mechanical Tinkering | Electronic Tinkering | Resist Domination | Survival Arctic, Desert, Jungle, Sea, Urban | Sky Diving | Iron-Will | Martial Arts ABCDE | Sharp Melee Weapons | First-Aid | Law Enforcement | Security | Stealth | Swimming | Climbing | Tumbling | SPEC-OP Soldiers may take advantage of Leadership even if they have low Military Social Ranks. SPEC-OP Soldiers may take advantage of Bi-Lingual Talents. 2 Languages; English and one other. SPEC-OP Soldiers may take advantage of various Military Resources allowing access to weapons and secure areas and information. ___________________________________________________________________ Average Fighter Pilots... Aircraft Pilots and Various Battle Ship Commanders under go much of the same training as SPEC-OP Soldiers and Sailors.... However, they tend to let these Talents and Training slide off since their entire life is dedicated to some form of high tech battle craft or Social Leadership for 1000 men or more..... The Navy, Marines and Army actually have better success Training aggressive Fighter Pilots, While the Air Force tends to train Average Pilots with a few very Elite Career Aircraft Pilots. +F : GD:10 to EX: 20 +A : GD:10 to EX: 20 +S : TY:06 to GD: 10 +E : EX:20 to RM: 30 +R : EX:20 to IN:40 +I : GD:10 to RM:30 +P : EX: 20 to RM:30 (Maybe upto AM:50 for some Social Leadership Officers) Health : 80 to 90 (100 Maxed, but no less than 50) Karma : 40 to 70 (100 Maxed, but no less than 20) Expert Talents Rendering [+2 CS] FireArms | Total Navigation | Military | Infiltration | Pilot nearly any vehicle | Mechanical Tinkering | Electronic Tinkering | Resist Domination | Survival Arctic, Desert, Jungle, Sea, Urban | Sky Diving | Iron-Will | Martial Arts ABDE | First-Aid | Law Enforcement | Security | Stealth | Pilots and Battle Ship Commanders are always Military ‘Officers’ allowing [+3 CS] for Leadership. Pilots and Battle Ship Commanders may take advantage of various Military Resources allowing access to weapons and secure areas and information.... Often upto [+3 CS] for Top-Secret level 1, 2, 3, and 4. ________________________________________________________________________________ Modern Military Soldiers and Sailors are put through a fairly gnarly array of Physical and Psychological Abuse as Education... Basic Training isn’t SHIX compared to follow up classes.... If fact, a Career Military Person will attend ‘School’ at least twice per year... And the very first hurtle for Class entry is Physical Fitness, even if the Class is entirely academic. If your Childhood was all FUCT-UP and Stressful and Chaotic... Military Challenges are often met with relative ease. The Modern Military is also extremely structured and disciplined from a social standpoint. Just about every endeavor a person may take up is centered on self-improvement. The Military basically Prison with out Locks and Cages. Nationality is normally irrelevant, but NATO and Allied Nations World Wide normally train the best Soldiers and Sailors. Cross-National training is the Current ‘Norm’.... Most U.S. Troops may send years attending classes in Korea, Russia, Germany, or just about any other nation’s Military... Like wise, Allied Nations will send their Troops through American Classes. 3rd World Nations normally have Physically and Psychologically Weaker Soldiers, but these Soldiers normally have greater Will Power or ‘Sprit’ allowing them to use Karma more efficiently. After all the crazy shix these guys endure, normally they develop many social, psychological, and physical problems upon release from Military Duty. Often these issues are expressed through Alcoholism, Drug Abuse, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, Violent Behavior, Eccentric Behavior, Depression, Emotional Outbursts and Anxiety.... And possibly permanent crippling injuries. This will normally render the individual at Straight PR:04 and TY:06 FASERIP (Give +1 CS to 1 or 2 Attributes)......... Basically, they just aren’t firing on all 8 cylinders anymore, Physically or Mentally. Normally, the only means they can use to recapture some of their Decaying Glory is to take up a civilian occupation that is moderately stressful and challenging, such as Law Enforcement, Criminal Investigation, Fire Fighting, High Pressure Marketing, Body Guard or High Level Government Security..... And sometimes they become Criminals or Gang Members and climb to Social Leadership quickly. In any case they may regain their motivation and rekindle their inner fire... But, often they just get Married to some fat chic who gives good head, Raise a few Kids in a chaotic dysfunctional family, get divorced, and find themselves in financial debt until they die... And their Children grow up to repeat the cycle.
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I'd be even more conservative in my estimations...
Fighting - the thrust of modern warfare is not personal HTH combat, and so this aspect of warfare is not stressed and excellence is not a prerequisite. I wouldn't rank your average specialized solider at more than Excellent, and would be more inclined to give them a Good with the addition of Martial Arts talent/s. Agility - as with fighting aptitude, athleticism is not the thrust of military training and doesn't involve the focus and specialized forms of training that it takes to create, say, a world class decathlete. I choose Good once again... making them a cut above the masses, but not necessarily world class material as a general rule of thumb. Thems would be some thin ranks if only world class need apply. S - most well conditioned men of average weight (170 - 200 lbs) fall into the Typical category of strength, guys like NFL linebakcers and Heavy Weight powerlifters generally fall into the Good category, while only historical exceptions can claim Excellent Strength. So, I rank these special forces at Typical... a size and build that also maximizes the soldiers overall physical prowess, ie. stamina, athleticism, speed, and makes it easier to cram them into various military vehicles. E - the upper limits of human conditioning, as made evident in some of the more physically "normal" superheroes, eg. Daredevil, Hawkeye, etc. seems to be Excellent. There is no doubting the conditioning of your average soldier, and while the might not be able to reach the levels of your typical 110 lbs. world class marathon runner, they have to be placed near the top anyhow... so Excellent. Reason - they have to be able to operate the technology they are required to use if nothing else, so I'd give them a Good on average... or Typical with appropriate Talents. Intuition - their powers of observation and general instincts probably operate way beyond that of your average Joe (their lives depend on it!) so at least a Good. Psyche - what makes them suspectible to orders from the in-group makes them more resistent to influence by outside forces.... so Good... or perhpas Typical with the Resist Domination (or like) talent?? So, the end result is... F - Good A - Good S - Typical E - Excellent R - Typical I - Good P - Good ------------------------------------------------ Powersurge (history, pics) [www.classicmarvel.com]
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From a 'Gaming' stand point, most players are simply hungry for
numbers.... And generally RPG players associate 'Soldiers' with higher stat numbers....... Realistically, that's not the case..... But for an RPG, let the fantasy roll a little bit.... Powersurge has the correct stat numbers... Straight TY:06, maybe upto GD:10 with some plus shifts.... And Endurance around EX:20....... Only about 2% to 5% of the mass ranks would have 1 Skill at RM:30... The mental factors (RIP) may go up decently... Brains over Brawn and Technology over Muscle is the general trend of Modern Warfare.... A ‘PRO’ Athlete has better Stats for Marvel…
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Even with his "no power"? (:!D
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